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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/over-emphasizing%20the%20M%20in%20MVP%3F/near/167403702" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/over-emphasizing.20the.20M.20in.20MVP.3F.html#167403702">(Jun 05 2019 at 16:02)</a>:</h4>
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<p>I can't talk much atm but I am overall concerned that we emphasising the M in MVP too much and letting pretty bad paper cuts slide making the stabilisation too much focused on early adopters.</p>
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<p>I'd like to hear more about this when you get a chance, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="126931">@centril</span> -- not sure if you have specifics in mind.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/over-emphasizing%20the%20M%20in%20MVP%3F/near/167403787" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/over-emphasizing.20the.20M.20in.20MVP.3F.html#167403787">(Jun 05 2019 at 16:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm perhaps not so concerned that what we ship is minimal, but rather that there are bugs within that minimal shipment</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/over-emphasizing%20the%20M%20in%20MVP%3F/near/167404114" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/over-emphasizing.20the.20M.20in.20MVP.3F.html#167404114">(Jun 05 2019 at 16:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>I feel like <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/60424" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/60424">https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/60424</a> and such give bad UX;<br>
Tho I am happy that <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/61452" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/61452">https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/61452</a> is marked as blocking cause I agree that is really bad</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/over-emphasizing%20the%20M%20in%20MVP%3F/near/167404287" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/over-emphasizing.20the.20M.20in.20MVP.3F.html#167404287">(Jun 05 2019 at 16:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>(Unfortunately I haven't been feeling super well and have been unable to work for the past few days so the tests are also lagging behind; so if people can help out with that it would be nice)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/over-emphasizing%20the%20M%20in%20MVP%3F/near/167407724" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Taylor Cramer <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/over-emphasizing.20the.20M.20in.20MVP.3F.html#167407724">(Jun 05 2019 at 16:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah, the inference causing "backwards errors" is indeed quite annoying and would be awesome to fix. IIRC  <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> had already sent some PRs in that direction?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/over-emphasizing%20the%20M%20in%20MVP%3F/near/167424109" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/over-emphasizing.20the.20M.20in.20MVP.3F.html#167424109">(Jun 05 2019 at 19:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>that's a very thorny problem; I think I owe <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> some feedback there, too</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/over-emphasizing%20the%20M%20in%20MVP%3F/near/167424260" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/over-emphasizing.20the.20M.20in.20MVP.3F.html#167424260">(Jun 05 2019 at 19:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>I’ve only made a small PR that didn’t affect async/await IIRC, it fixed the same underlying issue for a simpler case.</p>



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